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[Onasander]

If you didn't like my statues of Mangaish Transformers- then you just need to come out and say it there Cezar.

[War God]

So Nietzsche claims that those who need Christianity less will overcome it and not those who have been deeply christianized, as Sauwelios (War god) claimen once, i think.

What I said was that the great obeyers are the great commanders. Methinks your ancestors have been bad Christians, bad obeyers, whereas mine have been good ones. I now reap the fruit of their toil: I have the Christ-soul, whereas you are an anarchist grunting from your abdomen. My task is to master my Christ-soul, to overcome everything Christian by something supra-Christian. You are a wannabe Caesar, but without the wisdom of a Plato (for which reason you espouse Plato whereas I see that a Plato would be noble enough to disavow Plato's doctrine. Plato was corrupted by Socrates; what we need is an uncorrupted Caesar with the spirit of an uncorrupted Plato).

[War God]

So, you are obeying to the sheepy doctrine of Christianity?

No, I believe (most of) my ancestors have, as I said.

How "noble"! You see, Christianity is possible only after the reformation, and before that only Judaism, which means your forefathers, if they have changed to Christianity, have not obeyed to their forefathers.

How about Catholic ("General") Christianity---ever heard of it?

The Reformation was not the first Christian reformation to say the least: Early Christianity was itself a reformation---of Judaism.

My Pagan ancestors were forced to disobey their forefathers (forced conversion).

But don't worry, to Christianity can only change those who are sick, mediocre or opressed, so, there is a rational explanation! If we like one appearance then it is biological...

Wrong: when the "splendid blond beast" is "tamed" (i.e., sickened, weakened, etc.), it becomes a "Christian".

Bescheiden, fleißig, wohlwollend , mäßig, voller Friede und Freundlichkeit: so wollt ihr den Menschen? so denkt ihr euch den guten Menschen? Aber was ihr damit erreicht, ist nur der Chinese der Zukunft, das "Schaf Christi", der vollkommene Socialist...

Im Christenthum sind drei Elemente zu unterscheiden:
a) die Unterdrückten aller Art
b) die Mittelmäßigen aller Art
c) die Unbefriedigten und Kranken aller Art
mit dem ersten Element kämpft es gegen die politisch Vornehmen und deren Ideal
mit dem zweiten Element gegen die Ausnahmen und Privilegirten (geistig, sinnlich — ) jeder Art
mit dem dritten Element gegen den Natur-Instinkt der Gesunden und Glücklichen.
wenn es zum Siege kommt, so tritt das zweite Element in den Vordergrund;

You was the second one, the "liberal Nietzschean"? :lol:

Tell me: what happens to the politically noble and their ideal; to the exceptions and privileged ones; to the natural instinct of the healthy and happy ones; when Christianity's struggle against them is successful?

[sparkinthedark]

I find this use of christian elements as criteria quite amazing. Especially on a FN forum. Also, Cezar seems to be violently raping FN's ideas concerning diversity and creativity, turning them into a dogma. He is, of course, free to do that, since there is no FN dogma, but I thought I'd just point it out.

[Onasander]

So- playing on the assumption that your both wanna be Nietzsche Golas- expressing different views and angles of Nietzsche without his actual memories but at any moment may awaken fully as the long dead one- it would be safe to assume Nietzsche's statecraft for the west mostly delineated on the Axis of old/new testament codification of moral laws?

And a further assumption on the point of Cezar- he assumes the Old Testament homogeneous in political structure, whereas the New Testament differers considerably but itself is homogeneous- it's the reason why men can adhere to one or the other? There is no place for the Papal Revolution's pushing for a secularized city independent of Church or Imperial control directly due to its autonomy and inward looking, selfish though self regulating laws? This event never happened in the deep middle ages, and as a result- Men's thought's are a pure development of what they adhere to via orthodox religious text- for it's the only source of culture and religion, of external study they have available?

Hate to break it to you- but neither the old testament or the new testament was much read in the middle ages cept in England- cause that's the only country that bothered to make a bible in the local vernacular- everyone was getting high off the psalms and Saint Lives, and other monastic writings about saints and feastdays It's one of the reason's why there is a great awareness of saints (every church was named after one) but not of the bible- they had big-big windows depicting scenes. Look into gothic art.

Where the old testament comes into the light most glaringly for the middle ages- which became a topic here- is of course the rules dictating siege warfare and war morality- largely because the old testament- for PARTS of it- dealt with a decentralized authority of many tribes in a nation with fortified cities attacking each other- as cities of the same culture but not of the same authority tend to do- the Jews developed a system of morality for attacking and killing one another- and the middle ages copied this with their primitive weapons and pious warlords. The thing about the OT- it covers a HUGE swath of history- from the politically and culturally uified and independent nation of Israel to one under world stretching empires- from Enslavement in Babylonia and Egypt (events distanced greatly by time) to a super militiristic- quite talibanish travel through the desert.

The Old Testament is two damn diverse, and it's a horrendous joke to point to the letters OT as having any significance as a unified body- unless you wish to see a deeper meaning in the message of the canon itself, and not piecemeal as it came. To do that is affirming the greater historical value of the NT as having the the same deposition philosophically- as one transcending the current political forces and looking past the divide of Taboo and Ranks, of Nationality and Economy, and looking at the human for what it really is, and to what your motives and actions are, can and should be. To lump the combined, hulking mass of the sociological pressures of the old testament and the new testament stories together into OT and NT- they start to look incredibly alike, and become increasingly known to belong together. It's the radioactive principle forcibly inherent to the Mittelriech system when men ask questions about divergent principles or foreignly inherited law that just seems deeply wrong or unreasonable to apply to their situation- it is the motherlaw giving away to conscious and the natural law. It's why the Jews remained the jews- from Tribal to Imperial times, and the diaspora- it's a philosophy that surpasses many of our best attempts to this day to codify statecraft and morality secularly.

This has been the result of the branching, at times contradicting Heterosophic Array of OT and the NT time after time through the ages- it must contradict at times or it will lack value to men living in CERTAIN times- it is a azimuth for questioning why and becoming cognizant of where you stand- but overall, taken out the whitewash of time- it makes enough coherent sense to have survived bundled together though the ages. Men write in the age they live in- the books justly reflect it- but it's a ongoing saga that makes you push past the moment and question yourself and where you stand in this world by forcing out inside the vision of who you are, and those in the past long since dead were- breaking the constructs of the outside world and making one look within introspectively to pull up what really matters in your doings and dealings.

As to Wargod- your ancestors more than likely converted to Arianism, as mine undoubtedly did, quite freely and willingly unless you be of the Germans who fell under the blade of the Sword Brothers- but we must admit- that was German on German as well as German on Slav in that war- and would of happened crusade or not just for the hell of it- the Germans like to fight- and they were neighbors. The big difference I suppose if the northern crusades never happened is Prussia would more likely be Orthodox instead of Lutheran/Catholic. As for the Germans who invaded the Roman Lands- well- it's not like a seeing eye couldn't see that coming.

I for one hate from experience Zealotry in the militant form- men should learn more about themselves and their world and not try to force beliefs passed on in anger and spite to others to replace their introspection and growth. I'm pretty sure Jesus wouldn't of mounted a Palidin in full battle rattle and charged in his name. There isn't a whole lot to gain from such actions- such action were always taken at root for selfish reasons from men who were unwilling to look into their root cause of conflict and desires- their needs and assurance for the future. It can be done so much easier without the warhorse- it sucks at plowing or moving carts after the battle- much as the warrior is eerily out of place and without justification to a larger population that can soon see and devise ten thousand deaths for him and his comrades unless they come up with a clever cover story/institution. I can assure you, I understand the needs for the defense- but it no excuse for not attempting to resolve the larger needs of the individual, community, and world offensively where such tremors start.

[Onasander]

violently raping FN's ideas concerning diversity and creativity

what be dat? I didn't see your post before I started the above message.

[Onasander]

I havn't even downloaded them yet, still looking over Max Weber. I have your link, give it time to fruit. Nietzsche is a side-project for me (as I told you a few times), not the main focus given his greater irrelevancy to statecraft or related forms of philosophy- I'm willing to study him- but the greater imperative is I gotta find books worthy of republishing that force men to think strategically and sociologically, and inventively- so far, all Nietzsche has shown me is a parade of poorly formulated religious-logic horrors aimed at victorian numbskullery and I am very much questioning the overall value to more intelligent men who don't have their roots in such a sad faith and era.

There are ten thousand texts out there proporting themselves as the path to enlightenment- I have vastly different needs than that of a neophyte trying to find solace in any one of them- my ego is not soothed or goaded by their teachings. I die within 60 years, need to bust my butt to get anything done. I was born a Christian, and will die a Christian- my faith is questionable if not non-existent- and I recognize the supremacy of religion when the shit hits the fan against the questing forces of a more barbaric mind that has not yet blossomed from reflection upon his past and gains, or his future within the realm of greater humanity, causality, or sexual genetics.

60 years- that's what I have to leave a legacy in the minds of men, if even that long- and I don't care to do it via my dissertations or philosophy- I want to be remembered for my methodology and my approaches to fieldwork in questionable times to the few who bother to care about such things. I want to carve tools from the Philosophers Stone.

[perpetualburn]

Are Nietzsche's notebooks available for download or purchase anywhere? Or would one have to go to the Library of Congress to see them?

[Onasander]

he'll post a working link soon enough, last one doesn't work- and geomanji appears to be dead- though I have admittedly not bothered with guessing what the page could be entitled- but I am not interested in hacking the site via game-theory oriented guesswork of names.

(I just sent a female professor friend of mine down in cincinatti this quote of Cezar's

- In my opinion women who start to use their heads stop to use their entrails, because we have a limited amount of blood and if she pushes her blood up in the head then her entrails will not work properly. That’s why women are shallow in comparison to men: they have the period and the blood runs out...

She said it must be the reason why the Oracle of Delphi was always post-menstrual! Ha ha ha

[Onasander]

The talks about the Oracle of Delphi stemmed from a discussion with a guess lecturer- he told her they kept getting mysteriously kidnapped by men and shortly thereafter returned- I said I knew the answer to the mystery- they were kidnapped by men armed with Penises- and that in Rome it was a capital offense to sleep with a vestal virgin- but she kept stressing the post menopausal importance- and I pointed out she was post menopausal and surely enjoyed sex and a loving relationship- it doesn't take deep logic to figure out 'disappearances' of one powerful woman being encountered by a sea of equally powerful older men- shit will happen- geezers like to fuck each other- especially if they known each other for years.

And yes, the emotional tempo of women are in greater flux during this period in relation to expected, rational levels in regards to the situation, but so are the men- and certain creatures like bears that smell the scent and will tear at your tent 400 in the morning looking for the chick on her rag and the Sherbet she refused to throw away at her boyfriend's insistence, secretly hiding it, so the sounds he's goaded out of the sleeping bag by a scared girl next to him turns out not to be a squirrel after all that kept him up half the night, but a overcurious, starving black bear about to turn the rented 300 dollar tent into a work of abstract art.

I may have gone into too much detail as to comprehensibly stray away from the subject matter. Just know, a period and camping does not mix.