nihilistic or anti-nihilistic?

[ohellino]

i know i posted before about writing style being part of what people say and pancho lefty wrote that he did not change his writing style when posting on neitzsche subjects but i see that he doesn't and he is one of the few it seems. myself, i find the problem almost excusable, having it that to explode a nietzsche subject one cannot break it down into constituents without such deformities i've seen such as "will to power=god" and "pantheism is eternal reccurance" for indeed, without the style the ideas or inspiration felt throughout the piece that is under observation, the whole feeling and gist is lost. for instance nietzsche is a nihilist and he does attack nihilism, this poses a problem for defining his stance. the nihilism is threaded into the style of what he is saying, in the way he is saying it, as polemic, as attack, as the beating down of every wall that stands tall and having a bit of a laugh at how presumptuous our knowledge is, how easily it all falls away. but his attack does not leave nihilism as the ends and "last wall still standing", nietzsche's polemics are directed at nihilism most of all, hence his call for a re-evaluation.

[War God]

i know i posted before about writing style being part of what people say and pancho lefty wrote that he did not change his writing style when posting on neitzsche subjects but i see that he doesn't and he is one of the few it seems.

What are you talking about, anyway---changing one's writing style when posting on "Nietzsche subjects"??

such deformities i've seen such as "will to power=god" and "pantheism is eternal reccurance"

Both of which you haven't addressed...

nietzsche is a nihilist

In what sense?

[gla22]

When it comes to Nihilism most philosophers recognize it, but it is not their real philosophy. The only 'real' nihilist is a dead nihilist.

[Nietzsche]

i know i posted before about writing style being part of what people say and pancho lefty wrote that he did not change his writing style when posting on neitzsche subjects but i see that he doesn't and he is one of the few it seems. myself, i find the problem almost excusable, having it that to explode a nietzsche subject one cannot break it down into constituents without such deformities i've seen such as "will to power=.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'm sure you meant explore.

While pessimism and nihilism are not synonymous I often want to conflate the two. They both result in despair. Nietzsche is both a pessimist and a nihilist, but, one who loves life, in spite of it's problematic nihilistic and pessimistic nature.

[perpetualburn]

Maybe people post big quotes because sometimes people ask questions that can easily be addressed with quotes..

as far as this nihilism goes

"Nihilism. It is ambiguous:

A. Nihilism as a sign of increased power of the spirit: as active nihilism.

B. Nihilism as decline and recession of the power of the spirit: as passive nihilism.

23 (Spring-Fall 1887)

Nihilism as a normal condition.

It can be a sign of strength: the spirit may have grown so strong that previous goals ("convictions," articles of faith) have become incommensurate (for a faith generally expresses the constraint of conditions of existence, submission to the authority of circumstances under which one flourishes, grows, gains power). Or a sign of the lack of strength to posit for oneself, productively, a goal, a why, a faith.

It reaches its maximum of relative strength as a violent force of destruction--as active nihilism.

Its opposite: the weary nihilism that no longer attacks; its most famous form, Buddhism; a passive nihilism, a sign of weakness. The strength of the spirit may be worn out, exhausted, so that previous goals and values have become incommensurate and no longer are believed; so that the synthesis of values and goals (on which every strong culture rests) dissolves and the individual values war against each other: disintegration--and whatever refreshes, heals, calms, numbs emerges into the foreground in various disguises, religious or moral, or political, or aesthetic, etc."

compare this with something from twilight of the idols

"In this state one enriches everything out of one's own fullness: whatever one sees, whatever one wills, is seen swelled, taut, strong, overloaded with strength. A man in this state transforms things until they mirror his power--until they are reflections of his perfection. This having to transform into perfection is--art. Even everything that he is not yet, becomes for him an occasion of joy in himself; in art man enjoys himself as perfection.
It would be permissible to imagine an opposite state, a specific anti-artistry by instinct--a mode of being which would impoverish all things, making them thin and consumptive. And, as a matter of fact, history is rich in such anti-artists, in such people who are starved by life and must of necessity grab things, eat them out, and make them more meager. This is, for example, the case of the genuine Christian--of Pascal, for example: a Christian who would at the same time be an artist simply does not occur. One should not be childish and object by naming Raphael or some homeopathic Christian of the nineteenth century: Raphael said Yes, Raphael did Yes; consequently, Raphael was no Christian."

[anaspis]

Insight the nihilism is the anti-nihilism.

[ohellino]

Insight the nihilism cannot be the anti-nihilism because insight the antinihilism involves.

[War God]

It's "inside", you idiots---unless you think you're being witty...

Wondering more and more why I come here at all (though there are a few who seem worthy of my efforts), I will show you Nietzsche's position on nihilism:

One will see that in this book [The Birth of Tragedy] pessimism, or to speak more clearly, nihilism, counts as "truth." But truth does not count as the supreme value, even less as the supreme power.
[WTP 853.]

You can read the rest for yourselves, I presume...

[ohellino]

war tard. no humour.

[anaspis]

Nihilism is not pessimism but only a fear and an evasion of pessimism. The truth is the strong pessimism, this is the tragic existence. ''An intellectual preference for the hard, horrific, evil, problematic aspects of existance''....

''You should first learn the art of the consolation of this world - you should learn to laugh, my young friends, if you are determined to remain thorough pessimists'' ...