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[Barbarian]

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[Onasander]

How many Arab tribes did Nietzsche actually encounter? Did he ever at anypoint actually see what the faultlines between these tribal groups actually produce? I lived in just such a place for over a year of my life- Triangle of Death in Iraq. The region was eternally engadged in war, massive inbreeding, produced far too many retards and mutations like midgets over the levels one expects for the third world, and were bitches to foreign insurgents and foreign powers using and abusing them for the half millennium. I was actually there, in their most important and eternal battlefield. I've read many of their greatest theorist on the subject as well... I can't help but notice this assumption doesn't come anywhere near to matching this assumption. Someone really needs to look at this, I'm telling you, that region was ass backwards and everyone was weak, and wholly dependent upon outsiders. Half the people didn't even know how to make right angles for the door of their mud huts, or knew how to plow right, despite being farmers. Disease was rampant, and I don't recall any doctors amazed by local immunities or resistance to disease beside the ability to drink polluted, turd infested river water. But most anything else killed them in droves.

[Onasander]

3. What does not kill me it makes me stronger.

Sure, because PTSD makes better soldiers.

Yeah, no. Just so many causes of physical and emotional and psychological punishment does not lead to this result. Some cases, yeah. But it makes you question, stronger how- it's all relative.

A example, as a full disclosure, I like Nietzsche have had women problems. I was in a long relationship, a few years, and was broken up with in Iraq, mid way through my deployment, at the start of the surge. It's said at that time we had about 400 divorces announced- I wasn't married..... but was looking to it. It all ended for all of us.

I still don't trust women. Seeing a mass breakup happen in mass with everyone, as if some switch was just turned on, was crushing murder psychologically knowing in human psychology there was this odd synchronization in wiring and social cues that caused this all to happen in mass. As a result, I am torn between wanting a relationship, and not wanting on. The lure of one keeps me up at night, tormenting me in the exact same manner as the symptoms of withdrawal. Yet, I haven't, save for a night of poor judgment with a stripper in Montreal, have made serious effort to join back into one.

It's a common pattern in men- fuck, I know, I've seen it happen in a brigade worth of men, I know I am by no means unique, and can be fairly called a bit pathetic in my reaction to this in regards to society's standards of buck up and get back in there.... I just don't trust women anymore.

Whatever Nietzsche's pronounced reasons otherwise, most people reading his writings on women who've even been in a bad relationship or broken hearted from the realizations that the ideals of love, and the pleasures of love, doesn't reflect the motivations that drag people apart, and criticizes them will see it as juvenile and immature.... but many can see it as perfectly legitimate. He was escaping and trying to save face. I understand. I don't care to, I see myself as weak, because I can't understand why. I suffer at times from it's depression and withdrawal because I do doggedly avoid until I can understand this. I admit my ignorance and juvenile understanding. I stare and stare into my memories, and observe in life, and I cannot understand. If anything, I learn more and more why by painfully learned bias is growing stronger.

I feel weak. At times I am. Yet others see strength in it, I've avoided relationships for a few years now, despite having a very strong sex drive. It has been debilitating at times.

This is only one portion of pain. I did not grow stronger. Maybe a tad bit wiser, maybe a lot more foolish. Perhaps both.

I know a guy who had his hand blown off. I knew him before his hand was blown off. I knew him when we were training for the rangers. I laid in the cot next to mine, I brought him in, gave him a place to sleep, he was left sleeping in hallways in a sleeping bag. He had dreams, he was talking to his high school girlfriend to getting married. Annoyed the fuck out of me, everynight hearing this over and over and over again.

He lost his hand. How much stronger is he? Lost his fucking hand. I also know another guy, he was hit by shrapnel, he was told it was anxiety, nothing wrong with him. He went hom on mid deployment leave, and had a doctor check it- had 80 percent of his heart lining removed, and a lung taken out, was declared AWOL, demoted, and denied a purple heart. Last I saw him, he was mopping a floor as if he was a criminal. A fallen warrior. I stopped bitching about my lot in life seeing him- what did not kill him, the circumstances he suffered, allowed me to accept the outcome of my life. Also increased my rage and mistrust, knowing no matter how bad things got with me, for someone somewhere, they got it worst. This is not reassuring to me in the least. I don't think that is what Nietzsche was talking about, but it comes to mind in terms of logical connections.

Psychology is interesting- redundancy in memory, ischemia, and neurology causes strange patterns to arise in consciousness- ot everyone will act the same. We all have the same circuits, but we learn to use them differently. Hard to say for certain things will hold to linear patterns of imput resulting in a universal and generic reaction. I have strong left side-right side activity in my brain, but also much tramua and intergration of memory-connotation, and add to that, I've developed myself over the extent of my life to the task of strategy- my brain produces some off outcomes you won't find in the common population, as well as some you find in children or the immature. Same clearly was the case for Nitz. Everyone has their specialties in this age. Some traumas can be disastrous. Some lend no lessons to be learned by the very nature and means of coping available intuitively to the victims. We are not born with instruction manuals. We don't pass a sign out of the birth canal with the rules of life on it- the best introduction we get is comming out naked, freezing cold, and having the first man you see pick you up, and spank you, and then cut off the sole lifeline you've held to for 9 months of existence. Seems to set the standards for everything else to come.

[Onasander]

forgetfulness is weakness?


Yes, I am often a ardent defender of this principle, but not to the point of saying it's universal.

In my youth, my memory fractured to the point my identity became external. I had no 'me' beyond what I had to do to ensure there would be a tomorrow for my family, or others. Alot of times, when I am undergoing extreme trauma- and I do mean extreme- not often encountered in the expectations of the western world's idealized norms- I fall back into that cycle of intelligence where I become super inventive and oriented to solving problems.... quite literally the archetype of Prometheus and Uroboros- a trickster, a creator, and a destoryer. I noted this before I ever came to this site, read into Nietzsche very far, and barely knew jung.

http://kaleidoscope-forum.org/talk/inde ... opic=958.0

I recently made that post above. Another member mentions to reintegration of memory leading to insanity.

In many psychological systems, I come out on top in terms of neurological integration and coordination. Take Cezar for example, he's very clearly right brain dominated- in the theory of Cognitive Styles, I can pretty much say he is a very blatant Perceive- he can't be anything other than that. He's accepted Nietzche and Plato as truth, and anything that goes against it will cause mental pain in him. I can almost guarantee he's great a geometry. He can see outcomes. I can also note he sucks horribly at putting things together that are new. He also sucks at taking charge, though he feels the impulse. He is honor based, but he tries to make his own honor code- but can't really do it, instead finding it in others.

He's displayed all these traits in the past- and they are generic traits of his neurological type. He will deny it, but I can guarantee at times I can outright explain to him what personal problems he has in life with others- the inability to resolve nor accept them will cause intense pain. I know this, because I am also active in that part of the mind- the reintegration of memory between the two parts of the mind is brutal.... causes a bit of a identity change, or a change in ideals. Both hurt. The language center of the mind lays between, it's a simple thing to hide behind words or brush away ideas.

I am also conscious on the otherside of the mind where his subconscious exists, as was Nietzsche. I still feel the intense pain on Cezars side, as well as the pain and rage of my other in trying to make sense and put things together. There is two paths left, and it's invention- it sips the emotional fringes of my memory, and allows me to reassert intellectually against my problems. But in the process, I can forget. I focus on solving problems, and I lost coherency in the origins of my origins. I can go for hours without registering it. Days. Months. Years.

I note I am missing something. I seem to be able to recall, but in conversations, I pick up I am not always with everyone else in being able to recall things, whereas in other areas, I can recall everything beyond other people's capacities.

I would be dead if I couldn't. And no- it's not servant Cezar- that's not neurologically possible, server functions is left side- I am naturally altruistic and caring in my normal state, compassionate even. My natural capacity to create is aimed at helping others.

You may mock this, but you three idols you've chosen were conscious in the same region of the mind as I am- Plato, Nietzsche, and Machiavelli clearly are, and can only be, Contributors (it's said Heidegger was too, but I got a few doubts about this).

I oftentimes do support the principle above- but I don't to extremes. It's necessary at times to forget- the mind is a complex circuit board, flick a switch, and memory is utilized differently for a while, with sometimes brilliant results. In the end, it has to be dealt with. And in doing so, it can be very difficult,madness and even suicidal. I've been tracking my experience in maps of the mind I've been drawling, as well as two foam models of the neuro-vascular network of the mind I've built to figure out the parameters. I can trace many of my symptoms back to certain regions in conflict with one another- the conflict because people aren't suppose to use both at same time.... overcharge one, and the other will crash afterwards once the blood re-balances. The Blood-Brain Barrier has a few weak points.

You consciously experience half the formula, and I suspect the women you are attracted to experience the other half (perceivers tend to be attracted to left side dominate women) as they are conscious where you are not. It sucks for me, because I am in a very damnable position, I have not natural counterpart that can be my doppelganger or my 'soulmate'- I can get women no doubt, you see my avatar, you know some of my history, I am fairly intelligent, have defensive skills, can repair most things in a home, and have a few trades to pursue- just no one really there for me that balances me out. It's a bit of a cruel injustice in life.

[Onasander]

2. Fear and intelligence are co-dependent. (Dawn 241)

It operates not off a polarity, but in a system of cycles, and I can't break it down generically any smaller than a triad.

I am working on finishing my first full fledged philosophy book, I came to a realization looking over my friends life work in bags that would eventually be tossed out once she died and never read, that what isn't published and distributed to others isn't worth very much- this is a central question in the early part of the work. You will get a free PDF sooner than later when I put it out for soft editing. I am sure Nietzsche probably has influenced me. Sure you will like how I integrate it with the allegory of the cave.

Gonna write it, but doubt I will attach my name to it unless I need it for a job somewhere. Doubt that though.

[Barbarian]

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[FactorusTenInfinity]

I want to underline Herman Hesse here who is a recent caricature called "Nietzschean".
He does speak about the "return to oneself", but this is a lie, all he has is empty fantasizing. He must fantasize in himself in order to forget on himself. So are all losers. And I think they are superfluous. They do harm and destroy all that is worthy. If they are asked there will be no more culture.

OK, where shall I start? Hesse chose to become the Lord of the noontide (which he is, believe it or not). But methinks at heart he was in fact a Nietzschean of dubious sexuality who did what he felt he must. But a loser? Perhaps. Certainly a man full of contradictions and willing to lie about knowledge. One should look beyond the noontide he furnished to the great noontide that is the home shore of my work- free of decadence, free of contradiction, ready to welcome Zarathustra.

Some people escape from them selves through descriptions of "pretty landscapes".

"Most people go into the nature to lose them selves" - Nietzsche

An "artist" who is painting a landscape, isn't that a decadent?

I have reason to believe that the tragic landscape artist is a real possibility (Hieronymus Bosch comes to mind).

[Barbarian]

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[FactorusTenInfinity]

He [Hesse] is entirely nihilistic - speaking only through feelings and fantasies, although he doesn't seem to be entirely romantic, i.e. an equalist.
A nihilist is in every way someone to be defeated.

He is everything to such an extent that nothing is too deeply offended, which is the actual noontide formula. But you are too deeply offended by him- aren't you, you ***? Is your hatred not insolent? Does Zarathustra hate him so? Is it not the case with Hermann Hesse that there is still enough to respect?

[Barbarian]

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