John Cage and Amor Fati

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John Cage and Amor Fati

Postby sparkinthedark on Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:18 am

"I have often asked myself whether I am not more heavily obligated to the hardest years of my life than to any others. As my inmost nature teaches me, whatever is necessary as seen from the heights and in the sense.of a great economy—is also the useful par excellence: one should not only bear it, one should love it. Amor fati: that is my inmost nature. And as for my long sickness, do I not owe it indescnbably more than I owe to my health? I owe it a higher health—one which is made stronger by whatever does not kill it. I also owe my philosophy to it. Only great pain is the ultimate liberator of the spirit, as the teacher of great suspicion which turns every U into an X, a real, genuine X, that is, the letter before the penultirnate one. Only great pain, that long, slow pain in which we are burned with green wood, as it were—pain which takes its time only this forces us philosophers to descend into our ultimate depths and to put away all trust, all good-naturedness, all that would veil, all mildness, all that is medium things in which formerly we may have found our humanity. I doubt that such a pain makes us “better,” but I know that it makes us more profound.

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What is strangest is this: afterward one has a different taste—a second taste. Out of such abysses, also out of the abyss of great suspicion, one returns newborn, having shed one’s skin, more ticklish and sarcastic, with a more delicate taste for joy, with a more tender tongue for all good things, with gayer senses, with a second dangerous innocence in joy, more childlike and yet a hundred tunes more subtle than one has ever been before.

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Oh, those Greeks! They knew how to live. What is required for that is to stop courageously at the surface, the fold, the skin, to adore appearance, to believe in forms, tones, words, in the whole Olympus of appearance. Those Greeks were superficial—out of profundity. And is not this precisely what we are again coming back to, we daredevils of the spirit who have climbed the highest and most dangerous peak of present thought and looked around from up there—we who have looked down from there? Are we not, precisely in this respect, Greeks? Adorers of forrns, of tones, of words? And therefore—artists?"

from The Case of Wagner



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"To impose upon becoming the character of being—that is the supreme will to power."
WTP 617

That is exactly what John Cage is doing, observe:

http://www.ubu.com/film/cage_masters.html

Perhaps the most striking thing about John Cage is his ability to reduce just about anyone in his vicinity to a gentle smile. For more than 50 years, the distinguished, influential and often provocative composer has been challenging audiences with his work and his ideas. All the while, his primary goal has been disarmingly simple. Mr. Cage is interested, as he puts it, in ''increasing one's enjoyment of life, to become more open.''

Mr. Cage, who was born in Los Angeles in 1912, became a student of the composer Arnold Schoenberg. The pupil soon realized he had absolutely no feeling for harmony.

Schoenberg was not encouraging: ''You'll come to a wall. You won't be able to get through.''

Mr. Cage was unfazed. ''Well, I'll bang my head against that wall,'' he said.

He then went on to defy most of the standard notions concerning serious music. He experimented with theories of chance. For Mr. Cage, one sound, or noise, was as useful as another. Is the sound of a moving truck musical, he says, then adds with characteristic impishness, ''Which is more musical, a truck passing by a factory or a truck passing by a music school?''
"Ich wohne in meinem eigenen Haus,
Hab Niemandem nie nichts nachgemacht
Und — lachte noch jeden Meister aus,
Der nicht sich selber ausgelacht."
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Re: John Cage and Amor Fati

Postby Carl G. on Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:57 am

Besides the experimental stuff, his albums with Jan Steele and Phillip Glass are very beautiful.
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Re: John Cage and Amor Fati

Postby sparkinthedark on Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:55 am

John Cage and Roland Kirk documentary, 24 min:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c74SycuwgdM
"Ich wohne in meinem eigenen Haus,
Hab Niemandem nie nichts nachgemacht
Und — lachte noch jeden Meister aus,
Der nicht sich selber ausgelacht."
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Re: John Cage and Amor Fati

Postby Carl G. on Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:06 pm

I've finally watched this documentary and I've listened to some of his albums. Basically, he's letting the universe flow and then he's recording, though it's not that simple.
I can see the connection. Wonderful!
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Re: John Cage and Amor Fati

Postby Richard Meyer on Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:20 pm

http://www.archive.org/details/CageFeldmanConversation1

John Cage and Morton Feldman In Conversation, Radio Happening I of V recorded at WBAI, New York City, 1966 - 1967 (July 9, 1966)
Knowing how to wash oneself clean. - You must learn how to emerge out of unclean situations cleaner, and if necessary to wash yourself with dirty water.
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