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The Inane Flowering

Postby Onasander on Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:48 pm

I am not so taken up with suffering. I have suffered, and the expectations of it being the catalyst of strength appears to be a romantic notion at best, a assumption of close proximity of seeing the one with the other- the trauma stays with the successful, but not all the successful bear it. The reverse holds for the unsuccessful.

I look at people, bearing the marks of their respective histories, and I consider our most distant ancestral pasts.... deep in our lineage before we could of ever been considered human, before the cave was painted and the fires harboured within. When we were still the playthings of the savanna- sometimes a god amongst beasts, and in the next moment, a beast of the lowest reputation, with the results befitting such a creature.... being lunch for another. We carried our marks of our history then.... so many knew the fullness of trauma then, and experienced the full wealth of pleasure and opprotunity when it did present itself. I don't find much romantic about then- infections killed, the sun was hot and left you in a daze, and the cold killed. Much as pointless.... pointless to the extent one could ever make a point.... not certain when the first point came into being, but I am certain when it was lost.... moments later when someone close died or suffered.

Our brutal lottery of existence. Each one of us are descended from survivors of the worst experiences primordially, and yet, our one constant and eternal companion that has broken the odds seemingly as often as we have, every step of the way- failure in death.... has followed us, and never given us respite. The most retarded amongst us, clinically institutionalized for their own safety, has traits of the greatest nobility and advantage that men of these earlier ages would of been in absolute jealously of, and could of exploited to terrific effect. What is a idiot savant to a tribe of baboons? What is a deranged and ostracized Babylonian to a chimpanzee? A atrophy of the spirit, in the recognition of the inane at every stage of life.

Makes you wonder about machines. The laptops, and weak supercomputers currently not capable of much. Something in them can be sense of potentiality, something that causes a twinge of doubt about the sanity of moving foreward with their development, and yet we do so anyway. We encourage in some regards our replacements, our siblings, our inheritors and symbionts of a future not yet arrived. We give charity to the downtrodden at times.... not always, some of us profess a more brutal philosophy than others in this regard, but behind every argument can be seen a spark of altruism, and a still pure heart.

It's hard to say what will succeed, and what will die. Consciousness of the inane may be more beautiful to behold than that of the survivors- they may of had more work put into them, been born the more beautiful, the successful- and like that- they are gone.... survived by no offspring.... a complete and totally unsuspecting surprise. We survive. We. What is a 'we' in such a circumstance- we produce offspring, our line lives on.... and some die from each of ours- some become pitiful, others become rocks of gibraltars..... and they themselves give lines of success and failures. We the duration- the notional shared identity that we are share, that we are all staring, looking out.

How much of that 'we' is really just the chaffe soon to be thrown away? Mimicking their ancestors as far as they could go, only to lose out in the end anyway? How many of us have loved such a person, or pass them in the street, or hold conversations with them? The living dead.... the voice from the world beyond. Complete failures in the one task life has given them.... they so oftentimes have beautiful minds. Beautifully intriguing..... Nietzsche was one such absolute failure. He flowered in his inanity when our ancestors lived and did otherwise. We are all blooming, but in what manner? We are all assuming we are the 'we', but are we? How many chimeras are amongst us? Good qualities on a failed, certainly doomed chassis?

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"To those human beings who are of any concern to me I wish suffering, desolation, sickness, ill-treatment, indignities - I wish that they should not remain unfamiliar with profound self-contempt, the torture of self-mistrust, the wretchedness of the vanquished: I have no pity for them, because I wish them the only thing that can prove today whether one is worth anything or not - that one endures."
By some guy who died pathetically, and alone, trying to make sense of his own suffering and resist the lure of death.
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Re: The Inane Flowering

Postby perpetualburn52 on Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:29 pm

Well, this almost makes no sense but I'll try to make something of it.

How much of that 'we' is really just the chaffe soon to be thrown away? Mimicking their ancestors as far as they could go, only to lose out in the end anyway? How many of us have loved such a person, or pass them in the street, or hold conversations with them? The living dead.... the voice from the world beyond. Complete failures in the one task life has given them.... they so oftentimes have beautiful minds. Beautifully intriguing..... Nietzsche was one such absolute failure. He flowered in his inanity when our ancestors lived and did otherwise. We are all blooming, but in what manner? We are all assuming we are the 'we', but are we? How many chimeras are amongst us? Good qualities on a failed, certainly doomed chassis?


The important question: What was Nietzsche's "task" that he failed so absolutely at?

To what extend has Nietzsche been "thrown away"?

If you can't understand what his task is, how can you really deem him a failure?...what cause he had no kids? Cause he went insane? So what?... Is there a "proper" way to live and die that fits into the concept "we"? Are YOU apart of the "we"? Or are you built on a "doomed chassis"? What separates you?

"To those human beings who are of any concern to me I wish suffering, desolation, sickness, ill-treatment, indignities - I wish that they should not remain unfamiliar with profound self-contempt, the torture of self-mistrust, the wretchedness of the vanquished: I have no pity for them, because I wish them the only thing that can prove today whether one is worth anything or not - that one endures."


It's interesting that you quote from the WTP to support your argument even though you expressed concern earlier about probing through an author's unpublished works.
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Re: The Inane Flowering

Postby Onasander on Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:46 pm

Yeah, it was hypocritical to quote it, but I did anyway- I'm a fucker.

Is there a "proper" way to live and die that fits into the concept "we"? Are YOU apart of the "we"? Or are you built on a "doomed chassis"? What separates you?


Yes- making kids who make kids who makes kids who themselves makes kids. There is of course a subjective statement that chaffs with other logic within this statement- but it's very real none the less in that we can instinctively know and feel something real and honest in such a statement.

A bigger question arises, are all our endeavors doomed? Is there a point where everything just dies... and we are not just forgotten, but for all practical reasons, never having a effect on anything out there, in the stars? A reversal on king midas, being completely impotent in everything we touch? Or are the the lion of the species, known thoughout the universe in the ultimate depths of time?

The much more awkward question- does any of this mean anything, or are such arguments silly and useless to begin with? Is the fight against nihilism and death a philosophically silly one? It's odd one can give rise to another- is there a line that can be drawn?
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Re: The Inane Flowering

Postby perpetualburn52 on Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:32 pm

I suppose it was asking too much for you to answer any of my questions regarding Nietzsche. Your criticisms of Nietzsche will never be regarded seriously if you never even attempt to back up what you say... again I ask, what do you think Nietzsche's "task" is?

Yes- making kids who make kids who makes kids who themselves makes kids.


Ok, so the "we" are those that make kids? And if you don't have kids, you're therefor a failure? There are other ways of giving back to life without having kids.

A bigger question arises, are all our endeavors doomed? Is there a point where everything just dies... and we are not just forgotten, but for all practical reasons, never having a effect on anything out there, in the stars? A reversal on king midas, being completely impotent in everything we touch? Or are the the lion of the species, known thoughout the universe in the ultimate depths of time?

The much more awkward question- does any of this mean anything, or are such arguments silly and useless to begin with? Is the fight against nihilism and death a philosophically silly one? It's odd one can give rise to another- is there a line that can be drawn?


Are all endeavors doomed or are we the lions of universe? Does it matter? How could we know something like that, at least right now or in the foreseeable future? Such thoughts take one away from life.

You seem to think that Nietzsche is maybe self-limiting for those that read it? You talk of "systems" all the time and the possibilities of mankind, not to get caught up in obsolete philosophers etc etc... but Nietzsche wants his philosophers of the future to be ever more multifarious, to be constantly changing and evolving... I really don't see where you actually disagree with the man.
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