Renaissance and Christ: the best perspective for man

[Christian]

[color=#545454]Renaissance and Christ: a brief look at the best perspective for man

It is the will of Christ that we be strong and healthy as well as self-sufficient and sure of ourselves to the extent that we are capable of being upright believers. For his love may be limitless, but it was divine tragedy and the promise of life that accompanies it which spoke loudest out of his Earthly ways. As such those ways were predominantly Classical in nature (including the feelings entered into) as were those of most early Christians up till and including the time of the fabled St. George and unbreakable St. Elmo, and the wholesale degeneration of the Christian soul into decadence during the early 4th century both stifled Christ's legacy and fuelled the ignorance of the Dark Ages. The task for contemporary Christians then is to take upon themselves Classical ways to the extent that the teachings of Christ are not denied and thus reconcile the two, which is the ruling idea of the greatest Christian peoples of history.

[the_dwarf]

1 word:

micropenis

[Christian]

Yeah, but he's still enjoying the direct providence of God, so go suck.

[the_dwarf]

what god? I'd say the guy in the painting got shortchanged, and you got deluded somewhere.

[Onasander]

Classically inclined christians? Are you speaking of the Catholic Orthodox Apostolic church, that broke up and who's heirs are the Amenian Catholic Orthodox church, The Catholic Church (including the roman catholic rite, which I am), the eastern orthodox churches that are in communion centered around Constantinople's holy see, the nestorian churches, or the Monophysite churches in Egypt and Syria, or the Abyssyrian Orthodox, or the Mar Thomas in India? Those are the classically inclined churches.... they are still in existence- they recognize one another, and for the mostpart get along, well aware of their common heritiage, and thier eternal squabbles.

There was two St. Georges, one is a farce- the knight on a horse, the other quite real, St. George the Roman General who went through 12 tortures. In the Catholic stadition, St. George, St. Sebastian, and St. Marius are held in the highest virtue amongst warriors of the nations, and have spawned many monastic orders, revolts, and revolutions over the ages..... some damn right absurd, some highly justified, TO THE PRESENT.

This all being said, Meakness and Submission to God through service to the community and the spitirual continuance of society was always the highest ideal, in many cases becoming the protector exploiting coercive force.

Nietzsche's intellectual ancestor- who if he never existed Machiavelli nor Nietzsche, nor most of western civilization for that matter wouldn't- Marsilius of Padua in the 12th century, wrote on this very topic. Nietzsche (as well as you, but far more shallow and weak in your case) is but a sad, pathetic shadow in comparision to his scope, directness, and forcefulness in considering this branch of philosophy that deals with psychology, motivations, use of force, and government, and the role of religion. He spawned the great tradition in the west. I take more from Ibn Khaldun, and assume Ibn was independent of all influences from Marsilius, but I none the less am massively impressed, and recognize the origins of most philosophical debate such thought, especially Machiavellian, and definately Nietzschean (and even capitalist and marxist) to have most of it's origins in Marsilius. He came first, and is still impressive, and speaks onthe very topic you keep trying to babble on about and fail at eludicating.

[the_dwarf]

why this infatuation with christianity anyway? why do either of you presume this stuff about Christ to be legitimate, instead of following Judaism, Islam or simple Deism? don't you take too much for granted?

[Christian]

Classically inclined christians? Are you speaking of the Catholic Orthodox Apostolic church, that broke up and who's heirs are the Amenian Catholic Orthodox church, The Catholic Church (including the roman catholic rite, which I am), the eastern orthodox churches that are in communion centered around Constantinople's holy see, the nestorian churches, or the Monophysite churches in Egypt and Syria, or the Abyssyrian Orthodox, or the Mar Thomas in India? Those are the classically inclined churches.... they are still in existence- they recognize one another, and for the mostpart get along, well aware of their common heritiage, and thier eternal squabbles.

There was two St. Georges, one is a farce- the knight on a horse, the other quite real, St. George the Roman General who went through 12 tortures. In the Catholic stadition, St. George, St. Sebastian, and St. Marius are held in the highest virtue amongst warriors of the nations, and have spawned many monastic orders, revolts, and revolutions over the ages..... some damn right absurd, some highly justified, TO THE PRESENT.

This all being said, Meakness and Submission to God through service to the community and the spitirual continuance of society was always the highest ideal, in many cases becoming the protector exploiting coercive force.

Nietzsche's intellectual ancestor- who if he never existed Machiavelli nor Nietzsche, nor most of western civilization for that matter wouldn't- Marsilius of Padua in the 12th century, wrote on this very topic. Nietzsche (as well as you, but far more shallow and weak in your case) is but a sad, pathetic shadow in comparision to his scope, directness, and forcefulness in considering this branch of philosophy that deals with psychology, motivations, use of force, and government, and the role of religion. He spawned the great tradition in the west. I take more from Ibn Khaldun, and assume Ibn was independent of all influences from Marsilius, but I none the less am massively impressed, and recognize the origins of most philosophical debate such thought, especially Machiavellian, and definately Nietzschean (and even capitalist and marxist) to have most of it's origins in Marsilius. He came first, and is still impressive, and speaks onthe very topic you keep trying to babble on about and fail at eludicating.

Thanks for all that Onasander, very informative. I knew the historical St. George was a member of the Roman army, didn't know he was top brass nor that he was tortured so. Also, always thought he was a Christian priest? Seems unlikely for a general to be a chaplain also though.

[Christian]

why this infatuation with christianity anyway? why do either of you presume this stuff about Christ to be legitimate, instead of following Judaism, Islam or simple Deism? don't you take too much for granted?

1) There is no complete salvation outside of God.
2) Adopting the ways of Christ brings one within God's stead.

[the_dwarf]

...and why do you presume so?

[Christian]

It's not presumption- I know it from experience.